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  • Glen Quagmire
    Aug 23, 03:32 PM
    This will likely suck, because the interconnect Intel is using is just too damn slow. Putting four cores in the same package will just make the situation worse, because a lot of applications are significantly limited by memory performance.

    The Woodcrest processors have been put through their paces pretty well on the supercomputing lists, and their Achille's heal is the memory subsystem. Current generation AMD Opterons still clearly outscale Woodcrest in real-world memory bandwidth with only two cores. Unless Intel pulls a rabbit out of their hat with their memory architecture issues when the quad core is released, AMDs quad core is going to embarrass them because of the memory bottleneck. And AMD is already starting to work on upgrading their already markedly superior memory architecture.

    In two years' time, Intel will release Nehalem its next micro-architecture - to replace Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest. It is supposed to ditch the FSB in favour of Intel's own interconnect, named CSI. Two years after Nehalem will come another micro-architecture.

    In some respects, I'm quite happy to have ordered a Woodcrest Mac Pro, especially if the slow FSB does slow things down when Woodcrest's successor is released. If the Mac Pro can last me three or four years, I'll be in time for the post-Nehalem generation, which should be fairly spectacular.

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  • ksz
    Sep 20, 04:11 PM
    The only real downside I see is that Intel Macs are unlikely to hold their value anywhere near as well as the PPC line did due to the quicker changes we'll see now.

    I keep systems til they fall apart, pretty much, but there's quite a few on the various forums who say they always buy and sell 2-3 years later to upgrade.
    I should have been more thorough in my previous reply. What I really like about these frequent updates are the following:

    1. The motherboard has socketed processors (except for the laptops).

    2. Even though Intel is updating processors every 6 months or so, the motherboard and chipset seem to support the next processor version.

    Yonah can be replaced with Merom.
    Woodcrest can be replaced with Clovertown.

    Your computer does not become obsolete in 6 months. Instead, it gains new life if you decide that you need the new processor.

    Every 12 to 18 months or so a new chipset may become necessary. Only then does your computer lose the upgrade potential. If you buy Merom, you may not be able to upgrade to the next processor. Likewise if you buy Clovertown. New chipsets will be required beyond Merom and Clovertown.

    In any event, this is based on trailing history of just 1 year. Future events may unfold differently.

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  • epitaphic
    Aug 19, 09:06 AM
    Can I rotate the 2nd display 90 degrees like I can in Windows?
    Short answer: Yes

    Long answer: Yes you can


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  • BRLawyer
    Aug 6, 02:05 PM
    As Apple applied for the trademark, it will not be approved.

    It is up to Apple how they want to proceed. A fight that can't win, no matter how much money they have.

    Mac Pro has been the premier Mac dealer in the same county as Apple since 1988. Out of all the names for this new line of computers, why choose one that they know they cannot have.

    We are already getting countless support calls for the macbook pro. It seems they assume we made them When we can't help them, they seem to get very upset.

    Mac Pro is in a position to file for a court order not to release any computer that bears our name.

    So get ready WWDC, we will be watching.

    Mike Ajlouny

    Great joke, thanks very much...in the same line as Tiger Computer Dealers, right?

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  • MacAddict1978
    Mar 26, 01:47 AM
    I tested Lion, and removed it after a month. Not buying it. I'll use Snow Leopard, it's the best OS so far. I'll see the one after Lion, maybe there will be something interesting.

    Would you mind elaborating? Like, why you didn't like it? What about it made you compelled to remove and decide not to buy? And please don't say bugs. It was a beta.

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  • Rangers30
    Apr 8, 06:06 AM
    Why anyone would ever choose to buy an Apple product at Best Buy over the Apple Store is beyond me. :confused:

    0% interest on BB credit card? Believe me, it's the only reason I did. Their service was beyond ******. I had to practically haul someone down by the ankles to get them to notice me loitering by the Macbooks.

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  • Multimedia
    Jul 23, 03:14 PM
    Given the change in Clovertown schedule, I expect that at WWDC Apple will release 2 "lower end" Mac Pro configurations both with dual Woodcrests. The higher end configuration with two Clovertowns will ship early Q1 (maybe around MW'07).

    I expect it will be 2.33GHz and 2.67GHz Woodcrest models with 3.0GHz as a BTO option. Conroe in Mac Pro is looking highly unlikely.

    Anyone care to speculate on Intel's pricing for a 2.67GHz Clovertown? I am thinking $999.Well Swami I am going to have to call your bluff. Makes no sense to skip Conroe Dual Cores on the Mac Pro yet. This Winter 2007 with Clovertowns, perhaps post MacWorld SF. But not yet. And maybe not ever.

    There are some who may never find a need for more than two cores. But therein creeps back the need for a cheaper dual core tower line in the same price range as the iMacs. Seems inevitable doesn't it? Expand the Tower line down to $999 and let it go all the way up to $3.5k. Six models instead of only 3 expensive ones.

    January - March 2007

    ..$999 - Dual 2.13 GHz One Conroe
    $1399 - Dual 2.4 GHz One Conroe
    $1699 - Dual 2.67 GHz One Conroe
    $1999 - Quad 2.67 GHz One Kentsfield
    $2499 - Quad 3.2 GHz One Kentsfield
    $3499 or more for Mac OctoPod Fastest On EARTH - 8 x 3.2 GHz
    Two Clovertown later One Yorkfield for less money.

    I found that word "OctoPod" in my Tiger's Oxford Dictionary. It's a REAL word.

    When they get to 8 via a Yorkfield then the whole line can be based on the less expensive desktop family motherboards and chipsets except the extreeme top where pairs of Harpertown will make 16 etc etc.

    You fill in the specs. I can't remember what speeds are being offered. This is all just a wild guestimate for discussion purposes. Please don't flame me.

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  • srxtr
    Mar 31, 03:54 PM
    This wont end androids openness. It will make is so that there is more of a consistent experience amung all android devices.

    We will still be able to install from "unknown sources" for example.

    Relaz macrumors.. not as big as deal as you are making it.

    Openness means it should not matter whether it's consistent or not.

    If every android device out there was consistent with each other, that defies the definition of openness.

    Being able to install whatever you want from "unknown sources" is not the "open" OS this article is referring to.

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  • greenstork
    Jul 31, 12:17 PM
    I've built a gaming PC around the Core 2 Duo E6700. I'd like to be able to install OS X on it, because the only reason why I'd ever use Windows is for the latest games. Here are the spec's, think this would run OS X nicely? ;-)

    Intel 975XBX Motherboard
    Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (should overclock to around 3.2 to 3.5 GHz with my Zalman CNPS9500 AT air cooler)
    ATI Crossfire x1900 (crossfire master card)
    Sapphire ATI x1900xt (in crossfire)
    1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 Memory
    2 x 320GB Seagate Perpendicular Recording SATA2 HD's in RAID 1
    Antec Trupower II 550 watt power supply
    Antec P180 case in black

    ... keep in mind I am a diehard Mac fan, but I've always wanted to build a gaming rig since I'm a hardcore gamer. After all, I'm writing this entry on my MacBook Pro. Mmmmm.

    You should have waited for a Mac Pro. By hacking OS X to run on your custom built machine, you're constantly going to have to deal with a buggy Mac OS. There's no doubt that with every OS update, Apple will try to disable your hacked copy, if not fry your OS X installation. Make sure you partition...

    I'm a gamer too and I'm just sitting on my hands waiting for a Mac Pro. Sure, it may be more expensive than a custom-built Intel machine, but it will run OS X like a charm, and that's ultimately the most important factor in my computer purchase. But access to Windows games and Mac OS X, that's a dream come true for this mac fanatic. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that virtualization makes big enough strides that I never have to leave OS X to play Windows-based games.

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  • TangoCharlie
    Jul 28, 05:16 AM
    Can I swop the Merom with the Yonah in my MB?
    No. Not unless you're extremely handy with a soldering iron!

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  • Mattie Num Nums
    Apr 6, 11:12 AM
    I still don't think this means new MacBook Airs in June. Can anyone really see Apple releasing new hardware before Lion is released?

    I can they have before. Drop in OS kits.

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  • Joe2000
    Aug 6, 06:08 AM
    What about TV Show downloads in the UK? Pleeeeaaaase!!! :rolleyes:

    Looking foward to these Mac Pros though, my Dad is definatley going to buy one. :D

    Thanks, Joe.

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  • j-traxx
    Apr 11, 11:47 AM
    My 3Gs contract ends in June and Apple will be pushing it's luck for me to go half a year without me being tempted to jump platforms instead of waiting for the iPhone 5.

    ooh they'd better if they know what's good for them! you tell them off!

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    Apr 7, 10:20 PM
    So they DID have my Black 64GB ATT. I'm stuck with this Verizon model ,'-,

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  • epitaphic
    Sep 13, 11:02 AM
    Read more here...

    Logically, the next question is if ZFS' 128 bits is enough. According to Bonwick, it has to be. "Populating 128-bit file systems would exceed the quantum limits of earth-based storage. You couldn't fill a 128-bit storage pool without boiling the oceans."
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  • Consultant
    Apr 11, 11:36 AM
    We'll see in a few months.

    Apple has never been one to react to competition in the recent years. They seem to do what they think is best and let others follow them.

    I think they know that if they bring out the best one when it is released, they will sell as many as they can make for a long time.


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  • Dr.Gargoyle
    Aug 11, 10:57 AM
    Go figure - an American phone with less features than the one sold in the rest of the world.
    Doesn't that suggest Paris this year being a very likely time and place for the introduction of the iPhone? I doubt Apple will wait one more year considering the competition (see SE W810i (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=us&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_loader&php=PHP1_10376&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10376) and others)

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  • Thunderhawks
    Mar 31, 03:55 PM
    Good. I hope they take one of the last strengths of the iPad ecosystem away from it.

    Hey, are you sure you want to state that Apple has anything that is good?

    You are admitting they have "strengths" even if this is the last one.

    And, let's even assume that happens and Apple goes under, all their products tank and and and.

    What benefit would you have from that?

    Any positive thoughts in your head? You know all the negative stress Apple seems to give you will eventually cause health issues.

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  • noire anqa
    Mar 26, 07:37 AM
    Please release OS X Lion on a cool Apple flash drive :cool:

    Really don't want another DVD, my shelf is full!

    Tell me about it, down with optical media already.

    Mar 31, 09:21 PM
    I am so happy my android phone is open source and can be tweaked at any time by the various phone manufactures. Where else could I end up with a phone that thinks I am so Eastern European country in he morning, and some South Pacific island in the afternoon, while I really have never left the North West of the U.S. Lets here it for android and open source. This problem has be going on for about 1.5 years I have been told it is not a problem and I need to learn to live with it.

    I would take Apples approach any day. If only the I phone was available on my preferred carrier. Not a fan of ATT and my wife dislikes Verizon. Bummer for me.

    Aug 7, 04:38 PM
    I'll have to ask my firendly IT guy, but how does the end user access shadow copies?

    As far as I know he can't, that's the difference. IT has to restore the file for you.
    Still, nothing fundamentally new, and definitely not Vista 2.0... ;)

    Digital Skunk
    Apr 12, 03:54 PM
    Here's what I am hearing:


    The truly sad part about this is going to be when Apple doesn't deliver on our rumored promises.

    I REALLY HOPE that Apple does what that article says, and does it WELL, with no bugs or issues that render the entire system useless, within a price point that's reasonable ($1500 --> $2500 for what's described).

    Otherwise, it's going to make whatever update we do get for FCP moot.

    Aug 22, 07:33 PM
    Current generation AMD Opterons still clearly outscale Woodcrest in real-world memory bandwidth with only two cores.

    Do you have a reference showing that this translates to better performance in real-world application tests in a head to head competition?

    Dec 3, 02:56 PM
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    I find the license tests to be more fun now that they arent mandatory. They seem easier too. In GT4 it was work just to pass some of them, but in GT5 i find that i always get silver or bronze on my first attempt. Gold is a bit of work sometimes though.

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